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This section is dedicated to maintaining an active thread for each Agavaceae species/subspecies/variety/cultivar. Feel free to add information and/or photos to existing threads or start your own by adding Genus/Species as the subject line. Please note that the list is displayed in alphabetical order. Enjoy!

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I’ve been traveling a bit around northeastern Mexico and one of my favorite plants and always looking for them is Agave gentryi. I have seen it in many places and spent hours wandering through different towns. Agave montana too. Also, I know other people who are interested: Greg here, for example, and also friends in Europe, who also saw Gentryi and photographed him. I’ve been dabbling in it for a while because I think it’s one of the best agaves we can grow in the UK.

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From this broad point of view, it varies greatly, depending on the population but also on the individuals within the population. Agave gentryi is mostly similar to ‘Baccarat’ and the images I posted above: short, wide leaves similar to Agave montana. Sometimes with a beautiful beach going. But at the lower end of the scale there is a group of gentryi that have narrower, more ridged leaves, some with the pronounced S-curve often associated with Agave salmiana. ‘Jaws’ is this species, but it is a different mamillate with many teeth. I’ve never seen anything like this in a habitat, and in terms of species distribution, it’s completely different. However, because ‘Jaws’ was a commercial success, with literally thousands of tissue culture clones growing everywhere, it became the ‘model’ for Agave gentryi – it’s what people expect from Agave gentryi. . But most don’t.

So, yes, it’s hard to reconcile a plant like ‘Jaws’ with a plant like ‘Baccarat’: it’s two times. When looking at plants in the habitat of the full range of residents, all other shades and intermediate forms are evident and stand to reason that they should be the same. Comparison: If people saw the movie poster for ‘Twins’, I think they would have a hard time understanding that Danny Devito and Arnie are the same species. But if you’re used to humans, not so much.

Thanks to both of you for the tutorial. I’m kind of an animal lover, but as you said, Paul, the principle of heterogeneity applies to animals too.

Paul S wrote: ↑ Date February 16, 2023 1:38 am I’ve been traveling a bit around northeast Mexico and one of my favorite plants and I’ve always looked for Agave gentryi. I have seen it in many places and spent hours wandering through different towns. Agave montana too. Also, I know other people who are interested: Greg here, for example, and also friends in Europe, who also saw Gentryi and photographed him. I’ve been dabbling in it for a while because I think it’s one of the best agaves we can grow in the UK. From this broad point of view, it varies greatly, depending on the population but also on the individuals within the population. Agave gentryi is mostly similar to ‘Baccarat’ and the images I posted above: short, wide leaves similar to Agave montana. Sometimes with a beautiful beach going. But at the lower end of the scale there is a group of gentryi that have narrower, more ridged leaves, some with the pronounced S-curve often associated with Agave salmiana. ‘Jaws’ is this species, but it is a different mamillate with many teeth. I’ve never seen anything like this in a habitat, and in terms of species distribution, it’s completely different. However, because ‘Jaws’ was a commercial success, with literally thousands of tissue culture clones growing everywhere, it became the ‘model’ for Agave gentryi – it’s what people expect from Agave gentryi. . But most don’t. So, yes, it’s hard to reconcile a plant like ‘Jaws’ with a plant like ‘Baccarat’: it’s two times. When looking at plants in the habitat of the full range of residents, all other shades and intermediate forms are evident and stand to reason that they should be the same. Comparison: If people saw the movie poster for ‘Twins’, I think they would have a hard time understanding that Danny Devito and Arnie are the same species. But if you’re used to humans, not so much. The hostel below is definitely something I would like to see with my own eyes one day.

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The Opuntia boys have a similar division. Some believe that the variation is the result of hybridization, and if the specimen does not match the exact description of the known species name, it should not be called a hybrid. Other groups believe that there are very few hybrids and that Opuntia varies greatly. They prefer to group Opuntia with a wide variety of names depending on the region. Many of the names are no longer officially accepted, but if someone has described the species in the past in the area, it is okay to use it.

When I look at a photo of Agave gentryi, I see a crime being committed. Haven’t you posted one of your fantastic habitat photos yet? I have found habitat images to be much more useful than farming. That way you can identify yourself correctly. If you have the chance, post as many as you can. Does it work for you?

That’s a very valid point you make: we all have different points of view. I look at variation within a species and see it as just that: variation. Others observe the same plants and find intergrades of other species and hybrids. Generally speaking, people’s opinions about the natural world seem to be divisive*. I see that the plants are more developed, the animal species little by little are changing to become more species, but sometimes they cannot finish the work in a short time to see it. One becomes many, so to speak. Others explain the differences they see by saying that they are influenced by other species that grow nearby and eventually create new species. Many join. I guess molecular studies will solve everything. Like Yucca x schottii which, if I understand correctly from what I have read recently, is considered an ancient hybrid that is currently forming a stable population. I’m still not sure why you would still use x in that case, but then again, I’m a farmer.

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“American aloe plant”, 1797, from the Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos “noble”, possibly from agasthai “wonderful”.

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Gee.S wrote: ↑ Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:09 am Do I need to write this post again? Broad strokes of agave variability Wow, thanks for posting this; I read it for the first time. It is an excellent overview of the wide variety of species, something I think can be appreciated after many hours spent exploring the habitat. I will say that unlike the Yucca ‘Jaws’ you mentioned, the ‘Jaws’ shown above produce a displacement. Agave chocolate also seems to be a favorite dish, I learned that from experience.

I don’t think it’s Jaumave but the nearby mountains and it’s definitely wet there: rain, fog, fog, snow.

Axel wrote: ↑Monday May 1, 2023 4:30 am It seems that its habitat is very humid. It will be wet there: rain, fog, mist, snow. The agave montana is amazing, there were giant specimens that thrived in cool, humid Portland, Oregon, but they often died in rotting places in Texas winters. I try a few more, from different sources. I hope to get lucky.

The ‘baccarat’ agave does not fight with our climate. It is much better than any sample of pure Agave montana or gentryi I have tried. That’s why I think it’s something else.

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‘Baccarat’ finally began to grow. As we mentioned above, this plant is from the now defunct Yucca Do nursery in Texas, and I got it from a nursery in Upland, California. In the photo I put a budget.

Very nice – post another photo when the stem develops and then @Paul S can tell us all again that it’s A. gentryi.

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